Posted by: Whit Wilson | June 19, 2008

Jesus, Save me from your followers!

Hello Everyone!

     For better or worse, this post may be my first actual “rant.” Hopefully for the better. Maybe my post and the struggle I detail in it will help some people. At least I hope so. I’d really like to share a struggle I have had with Evangelicalism in general and more specifically, some of today’s reformed Calvinists.

     A few months ago, while at a Bible study I attend regularly, I attempted to ask a question about some sincere theological struggles I had been having at the time. When I posed the question to my Bible study leader, I was laughed at by some friends of mine who were there that night. In fact, my Bible study leader himself cracked a jocular smile at my question as if to dismiss to it (which related to the deity of Christ). Now, granted, my friends may have not been aware of the sincerity of the question and my struggles with it. Yet, I could not help but leave that night discouraged to ever ask the questions again and even a little hurt by how my questions had been mocked.

     This and other similar occurences lately have got me thinking. One looks out today at the growing Emergent Church movement and other Liberal strands of Christendom and finds people who hold broadly divergent and “unorthodox” views on so many issues, whether it be the deity of Christ or the role of the church. We also find that many of today’s most prominent atheists are former Christians. One of them is a man by the name of Bart Ehrman, author of Misquoting Jesus, who has made it his crusade to destroy the faith of Christians, largely because of his terribly negative run-ins with so many self-rightoues “believers.” 

     We have to wonder: “Where do all these folks come from with all these ‘out there’ views”? And I think we can conclude that in most cases these people have come from mainstream evangelical backgrounds. I only wonder if they had similar experiences to my own. Were there honest questions stifled or ignored or even mocked? Likely. Very likely. In fact, many of them have said so themselves.

     At this point I want to thank the Emergent Church for what they have done to correct mainstream evangelicals in this area. Church is the place where questions and doubts should be welcomed most! Yet in most evangelical churches today they are shunned and suppressed. Or even worse, many people are told they are not true believers if they don’t fully understand some doctrine immediately. The Emergent Church has fired back by getting people together for “conversations” where people are welcomed to ask honest questions and wrestle through their doubts. I even read in Rob Bell’s book Velvet Elvis how he held a “Doubt Night” at his church where people were invited to come with their doubts and struggles and ask the pastors their questions. What a great way to help someone with their faith!

     Anyway, I guess I am just tired of talking to so many of today’s young Calvinists (better known as “Cruel Calvinists”) who think they have the theological answer to everything (I myself am guilty of being one of them at times). It is amazing that so many twenty-somethings think they are more or less ready to be pastors because they have read Luther and Spurgeon, yet they have no real spiritual counselling experience with REAL people! Look deeply enough beneath the surface and I bet you’ll find alot of immature kids who care most about winning theological arguments and looking brilliant in front of their friends. Instead of loving people, they laugh at their “silly” questions.

     Moreover, why can’t we just put away our theological systems and read the Bible for what it is? If we really did this I think we would find that unlike our carefully constructed theological systems:

- Divorce is in fact ok in some instances (”I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness…”)

- That maybe Jesus’ identity can’t be neatly boiled down to this thing called the “Hypostatic Union” (which frankly, the Church made up)

- That evolution really did happen (Genesis 1 is NOT literal, sorry Ken Ham)

     In conclusion, maybe next time someone says something a little strange, put down your theological boxing gloves and try to actually help them instead of using them for your own self-glorification.

There, I said it. ;-)

Responses

I find it interesting that you are upset that your legitimate questions were not treated respectfully, but you have no qualms about dismissing Bart Ehrman’s legitimate questions as an attack upon Christianity.

Hi Vinny,

Thanks for your comment. I appreciate that you took the time to read the post and to challenge me where I needed to be challenged.

However, if I may, could I point a few important things out:

- I did not and certainly do not dismiss Ehrman’s questions and claims regarding Christianity and Scripture. I think they are claims that deserve a thoughtful and well-reasoned response from Christians. His stature of scholarship, despite the mistakes I believe he makes, should not be ignored or brushed aside by Evangelicals. Many have mistakenly done so.

- Ehrman himself has admitted recently (I believe in a forum with Dr. Daniel B. Wallace - another well-known textual critic) that he has been partially motivated in his work to undermine the faith of Christians. So it’s not just me calling his questions an attack on Christianity, he actually has said that himself. Thus, work by such scholars with a clear and admitted bias needs to be read with a grain of salt.

- Finally, I actually tremendously sympathize with Dr. Ehrman, especially his struggle to reconcile apparent Scriptural discrepancies. I hope for the best for him and pray for him regularly.

Regardless, thank you again for your comment. They are always welcome here. I wish you the best.

Whit

If you are speaking of the recent Greer-Heard Forum at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, I don’t recall Ehrman saying anything that could fairly be interpreted as expressing a motivation to undermine the faith of Christians. As you well know, questioning the motives of a doubter can be much easier than answering his questions.

Yeah, I don’t think I was thinking of that forum, but if I remember where I heard about him making that comment I’ll let you know.

You should check out the book Misquoting Truth by Timothy Paul Jones if you are interested in hearing some answers to Ehrman’s questions. I just finished reading this book and I think Jones deftly answers most of Ehrman’s serious objections to the inerrency of Scripture.

Thanks again for your input and comments.

Whit

Totally not interested in deep theological discussions at this time (but maybe in a year or so… we’ll see where I stand then), but have been involved in groups where such things have occurred (*very* recently too).

The discussion can (and did) get very thick and heavy. One side was really pushing the arguments and the other wasn’t so 100% in agreement and had no issue stating it. Later, we came back to it and the person stating the arguments wanted to point out that he meant it in love (which I truly believe) and that he was hoping to push him to see what he was trying to say.

My only point in this is that the discussion can be good, and as long as both sides are willing to not be discouraged and put down for their differences, we should all push on and work through these struggles.

It’s probably OK to agree to disagree. I’m curious - has this exchange changed your relationships with these individuals? Are you less likely to ask serious questions there?
If so, I challenge you to bring that question (or maybe not, maybe something else) up again.

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the comment and helpful input.

I think you are right in one sense. It can be good sometimes to hash out an issue with friends and be willing to be totally open and upfront with each other. I agree in that sense totally. I guess I’m just not sure if my situation would fit that scenario.

All in all, I will certainly bring up the questions again and have talked with most of the friends who were involved. My concern is more so with others whose questions are ignored or stifled in some way. Many of them get hurt and end up leaving the church. Christians with the gift of doctrinal discernment need to stop misusing what God has given them and instead use it to build up and love others. That’s all.

Lastly, I wonder if someone who is getting visibly frustrated and animated is actually pushing an argument in love. I used to think so myself until I met a guy (my Bible study leader) who seems amazingly gifted to gently ask people questions that will help them discover the truth doctrinally. He is actually much more effective in winning someone over in a discussion. He always tells me (because I need to hear it) that it would be a shame to, “Win the argument but lose the person.”

In my humble opinion, if someone has to get animated to push an argument there is usually a better (and more loving) way. All I’m saying is that when we get angry it is usually because of an idol we are pursuing in place of loving and trusting God to work through our words. But that’s just my opinion.

Thanks again for the comment and the encouragement. It really helped me, honestly.

I Corinthians 8:1 : Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up…

Whit

Know what you mean Whit. I couldn’t agree with you more about love over knowledge.

Somewhat related at least in my mind is something I have written as a reminder for myself: I Corinthians 6:12 “Everything is permissible for me but not everything is beneficial.” … and I’m talking about how we talk to others. Completely right as your friend says, you may win the argument but lose the person.

What we need is wisdom in applying the knowledge.

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